Please help with Saab Safir...

[Guest Andrey Tsvirenko]

Friends hello!

 

Please help me - what  is written on pictures ? Just Finnish knowledge needed

 

1..

2...

3...

?

 

that is for our Saab Safir project here is temporary screen of exterior:

 

 

virtual cockpit

 

 

 

Some more screens are on our site:

http://www.sibwings.com/ss.php

 

and in forum

http://forum.sibwings.com/viewtopic.php?t=74

 

Thank you in a credit!

 

Andrey

 

 

[Henri Keränen 0]

Bad english, but still..

 

1. Airlights. Upper is Continuous and down is blinking

3. Parking brake - Pull

[Hannu Tolonen 0]

4. Cockpit heating, Pull-on, push-off

5. Windshield heating, Pull-on, push-off

6. If manifold (turbo pressure?) pressure is lower than 0,5 ATA, avoid 2250-2550 r/min

7. Up-on, down-off

8. Flyinglights - blinking

9. Push-rich, pull-lean, Idle shutdown-pull

 

Project looks great!

 

Hannu

[Jani Viipuri 0]

partial info but..

 

2. ??. light, continuous - signal

[Guest Andrey Tsvirenko]

Thank you guys! you are pretty fast    What is 7 "FLUX-VALVE" sorry put the number bit wrong...and probably someone know where is stall indicator in that machine ? I thought 8 is...

 

Andrey

[Jouni Laukkanen 55]

Some terms corrected

 

1. Navigation lights

2.

3. Parking brake - Pull

4. Cockpit heating, Pull-on, push-off

5. Windshield heating, Pull-on, push-off

6. If manifold pressure is lower than 0,5 ATA, avoid 2250-2550 r/min

7. Flux-Valve Up-on, down-off (Flux-Valve is a compass with electronic sensors located in the wing, designed to automatically correct normal 15 degree/hour drifting in the directional gyro)

8. Navigation lights - blinking (indicator)

9. Push-rich, pull-lean, Idle shutdown-pull

 

By the way, where number 9 is located in the cockpit?

[Guest Andrey Tsvirenko]

By the way, where number 9 is located in the cockpit?

 

Lower the throttle and prop levers, bit left from clock...

 

Sorry for my English really hope it's  clear

 

Andrey

[Jouni Laukkanen 55]

Lower the throttle and prop levers, bit left from clock...

 

Sorry for my English really hope it's  clear

 

Andrey

 

Then number 9 is Mixture Control

[Ilkka Mäkelä 1 222]

Some elementary Finnish, as applied to these markings:

 

"ON" comes from the verb "Olla", = to be, meaning "Yes, it is on". Just happens to mean the same as "ON" in English.

 

"EI" is simply "No". Meaning "No, it is not on".

 

The big "S" in the mixture control knob comes from the word "seos", = Finnish for "Mixture".

 

What still bothers me is AS.VALO. Valo=light, but AS?? Could it mean asematasovalo = apron light/taxi light?

 

About the stall warning system of the Safir I have no idea, unfortunately.

[Kimmo Hantula 1]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0284285/L/

 

AS. VALO = Beacon

If used on "JATKUVA" means flashing beacon

If used for morsecoding then it should be "SIGNAALI" or signal

 

Taxilight is "LASKUVALO" left and right

 

Stall warning system... who needs one on military aircraft? => there is none.

 

[Ilkka Mäkelä 1 222]

Wow, that´s a good picture!

 

Any explanation, still, what the AS originally meant in Finnish? I cannot think of anything suitable.

[Jukka Nisula 2 282]

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0284285/L/

 

AS. VALO = Beacon

If used on "JATKUVA" means flashing beacon

If used for morsecoding then it should be "SIGNAALI" or signal

 

It is quite funny, that in swedish Saab Safirs the "AS.VALO"  (number 2) is marked in english as "LANTERN". It means "lyhty" in finnish... 

 

Och "lykta" på svenska...

 

http://fcfk.com/safir/sb91/list/91258cabin.htm

 

Jukka

[Seppo Pietikainen 0]

Pretty cool graphics.  Congrats!    ???

[Ilkka Mäkelä 1 222]

It is quite funny, that in swedish Saab Safirs the "AS.VALO"  (number 2) is marked in english as "LANTERN". It means "lyhty" in finnish... 

 

Och "lykta" på svenska...

 

http://fcfk.com/safir/sb91/list/91258cabin.htm

 

Jukka

 

Are you quite sure now?

 

I looked at one of those pictures in that URL and the AS.VALO switch is clearly marked as:

 

SIGN.LAMP

  FAST SKEN

  SIGNAL

 

Therefore, there obviously was a "Signal Lamp" for identification purposes, perhaps, with "steady light" (fast sken in Swedish) and "signal" position for transmitting light signals (perhaps even morse code, as suggested) to other aircraft or to the ground.

 

Interesting thread, anyway.

 

The a.net photo is quite recent. And the text above the switch has clearly been modified to "BEACON" in the a.net picture. Might be because the aircraft did not need a "signal lamp" any more and a rotating beacon has been added, as it is was already in civil registration markings when the picture was taken and civil a/c rules make a (rotating/flashing) beacon compulsory.

 

 

[Jukka Nisula 2 282]

Are you quite sure now?

 

I looked at one of those pictures in that URL and the AS.VALO switch is clearly marked as:

 

SIGN.LAMP

  FAST SKEN

  SIGNAL

 

Therefore, there obviously was a "Signal Lamp" for identification purposes, perhaps, with "steady light" (fast sken in Swedish) and "signal" position for transmitting light signals (perhaps even morse code, as suggested) to other aircraft or to the ground.

 

Interesting thread, anyway.

 

The a.net photo is quite recent. And the text above the switch has clearly been modified to "BEACON" in the a.net picture. Might be because the aircraft did not need a "signal lamp" any more and a rotating beacon has been added, as it is was already in civil registration markings when the picture was taken and civil a/c rules make a (rotating/flashing) beacon compulsory.

 

You can be right.

 

In the picture of Finnish Safir the switches in panel are from left:

 

LENTOVALOT-BEACON-LASKUVALO-OHJAAMOVALO

 

In swedish picture they are also from left:

 

STRÅLKASTARE-LANTERN-SIGNAL LAMP-INNERBELYSNING

 

Maybe the switches are not in same order, because the swedish plane is type SAFIR 91 B, and the finnish is type D. And the whole panel is little bit different.

 

Jukka

[Kimmo Hantula 1]

Wow, that´s a good picture!

 

Any explanation, still, what the AS originally meant in Finnish? I cannot think of anything suitable.

Might be "asemavalo" or position light ?

I have original saab aircraft manual at work (english), but cannot get it until next week.

[Guest gbr]

Hello!

Some comments/answers:

No 1 is the switch for navigation lights. Continuous light in upper position and blinking in lower position.

No 2 is the switch for position light (asemavalo). Continuous light in upper position and signal in lower position. The signal position is used for sending messages to other aircraft or to the ground.

One light is on the upper surface of the fuselage behind the ADF antenna. Another light is on the underside of the fuselage.

No 7 is the switch for the Flux Valve which stabilates the Gyro Syncompass. If in off position or if the compass is wrongly adjusted, then you only have a Gyro compass.

No 8 is an indicator for blinking navigation lights.

Laskuvalo is landing lights, used during landing circuit.

 

The outside view of SF-3: The metal part of wingtips shall be painted with dayglo.

On aircraft with only one number, the number shall be on the rudder and be larger than in the actual view.

Thanks for nice views of an old friend.

Best regards, Göran

[Jukka Ihalainen 0]

BTW. Mielenkiintoinen kone tuo Safir kangassiivillä, ym.

Mutta mikä sen funktio sodanaikana oli? Koulutuskone esim ????

[Jouni Laukkanen 55]

BTW. Mielenkiintoinen kone tuo Safir kangassiivillä, ym.

Mutta mikä sen funktio sodanaikana oli? Koulutuskone esim ????

 

Jaa... minkä sodan? http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_91_Safir

[Jarmo Puntanen 0]

Hello!

Some comments/answers:

(...)

No 2 is the switch for position light (asemavalo). Continuous light in upper position and signal in lower position. The signal position is used for sending messages to other aircraft or to the ground.

 

So it's actually the same switch and the same function, but only it will not engage (lock) when in the "down" position, and the occupant may press it down like a regular morse key?

[Guest gbr]

Correct, you use it like a Morse key.

>Göran

[Jukka Ihalainen 0]

Jaa... minkä sodan? http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_91_Safir

 

Katsos vaan Wiki tietää. '45, eli ei ehtinytkään olla sodassa. Ja vastaushan oli myös siellä = Koulukone.

[Guest Andrey Tsvirenko]

Hello again guys! Sorry for my freezes - a lot of work here.

Thank you for information and comments, this is really helpful!

 

I'm again with couple questions to you:

 

1 Can anyone help with photos of surrounded labels ? (as for number 1

it's just frame enough, as for number 2 photo and text is very welcome)

 

I have a loads of photos of SF-3 (much thanks to Mikko  Maliniemi) but

unfortunately the plane is not in great condition, that labels are

lost...

 

 

2 Does anybody know the color of gauge night highlight is red, same as

Swedish has ? or it's different ?

 

3 Can anyone help with photo of down wing side ? (Same with point 1 I

do not sure is any registration information written on wing down

side...)

 

 

Couple new screens here, they are still temporary probably soon pretty

final screens of Finnish Safir would be published at our site.

 

 

 

Andrey

[Jukka Nisula 2 282]

Hello!

 

I´m quite sure that number 1= ÄLÄ ASTU (it means "don´t walk" or "don´t step")

 

http://www.fcfk.com/safir/sb91/images/91246/SF-36_TuomoNiemi.jpg

 

In swedishs Safirs there is text: TRAMPA EJ HÄR (it means same "don´t walk/step here")

 

http://www.fcfk.com/safir/sb91/images/91259/SE-KGZ_1.jpg

 

Jukka

[Jouni Laukkanen 55]

Number 2 label is compulsory in all finnish aircrafts. Type of fuel and amount of it must be incicated beside refuelling cap.

In red square is text "AVGAS" and below that "100LL" written in black capitals. Unfortunately size of the fuel tanks is unknown for me, but in these civilian Safirs it is in liters.

I'm pretty sure that during Air Force service Safirs didn't have these labels.